Adobe Spying On Its Customers
from the now-that's-just-not-very-nice dept
It's not all that surprising these days to hear about software companies having their software "phone home" in some manner or another, though it's often quite annoying. However, it looks like Adobe has taken this to a new level. As highlighted by Valleywag, Adobe's CS3 design software includes a system to provide your usage data quietly to a "behavioral analytics" firm named Omniture. Of course, it does this without ever asking you if you want some random company knowing every time you use this piece of software. While it may not be doing anything nefarious, this certainly has all the hallmarks of spyware, including the fact that it tries to (weakly) disguise the connection to Omniture by making it look like it's simply pinging your local network. It's really amazing that companies keep doing this type of thing thinking that people won't catch on. There may be plenty of legitimate reasons for tracking the usage of a piece of software -- but if so, why not be upfront about it and let the user of the software opt-in to sharing his or her data? Yet another reason to use a firewall that catches these sorts of sneaky outbound connections. Update: John Dowdell, an Adobe employee (and long time Techdirt reader) has replied in the comments, noting that he's talking to folks at Adobe to find out the whole story, but he thinks it's the "live update" function. I'm not sure I understand why a live update function would call an analytics firm -- or why the ping to that analytics firm should be disguised as a local network ping, but that's the story coming out of Adobe right now. Will update again if any more details become clear. Update 2: Further response from Adobe here. It explains what the connection does and also admits that the company should have done a better job making it clear.
from the now-that's-just-not-very-nice dept
It's not all that surprising these days to hear about software companies having their software "phone home" in some manner or another, though it's often quite annoying. However, it looks like Adobe has taken this to a new level. As highlighted by Valleywag, Adobe's CS3 design software includes a system to provide your usage data quietly to a "behavioral analytics" firm named Omniture. Of course, it does this without ever asking you if you want some random company knowing every time you use this piece of software. While it may not be doing anything nefarious, this certainly has all the hallmarks of spyware, including the fact that it tries to (weakly) disguise the connection to Omniture by making it look like it's simply pinging your local network. It's really amazing that companies keep doing this type of thing thinking that people won't catch on. There may be plenty of legitimate reasons for tracking the usage of a piece of software -- but if so, why not be upfront about it and let the user of the software opt-in to sharing his or her data? Yet another reason to use a firewall that catches these sorts of sneaky outbound connections. Update: John Dowdell, an Adobe employee (and long time Techdirt reader) has replied in the comments, noting that he's talking to folks at Adobe to find out the whole story, but he thinks it's the "live update" function. I'm not sure I understand why a live update function would call an analytics firm -- or why the ping to that analytics firm should be disguised as a local network ping, but that's the story coming out of Adobe right now. Will update again if any more details become clear. Update 2: Further response from Adobe here. It explains what the connection does and also admits that the company should have done a better job making it clear.
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Re: Photoshop CS3 spying????
Sun, December 30, 2007 - 12:49 AMI wonder if there is a way to use the built in connection to overload their system. -
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Re: Photoshop CS3 spying????
Sun, December 30, 2007 - 1:10 AMDoes this procedure send info as to what images you are working on?
Like if I was doing a montage of downloaded imagery would it annotate the names of the files I have worked on?
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Re: Photoshop CS3 spying????
Sun, December 30, 2007 - 6:10 PMThere are at least two hidden software "features" in adobe products that monitor several things.
They are bullshit.
I disabled them.
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Re: Photoshop CS3 spying????
Sun, December 30, 2007 - 6:15 PMV what are their names
and how does one disable them?
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Re: Photoshop CS3 spying????
Sun, December 30, 2007 - 6:23 PMGoogle Bonjour service or hunt around the adobe forums for something like this:
www.adobeforums.com/webx
Also there is something called FLEXnet Licensing Service which is tied to Macrovision software manager which pretends to be friendly but actually monitors your licenses and installs.
kb.adobe.com/selfservice/viewContent.do
I use a program management component within ZoneAlarm Security Suite to limit their functioning and previously googled the instructions for disabling their functioning without crippling the software
This info is for PC's
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Re: Photoshop CS3 spying????
Sun, December 30, 2007 - 7:47 PMWell I am on a Mac.
Does that mean I don't have the same problem? -
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Re: Photoshop CS3 spying????
Sun, December 30, 2007 - 8:16 PMI'm not sure.
However, I have heard that they are less rigid with Apple products in terms of licensing and such because they don't have they same marketshare as PC's.
I would suspect that the same components - or similiar ones - are integrated into their products for the Mac OS.
You might try refining a goodle search to see if it is also particular to the Mac OS.
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Re: Photoshop CS3 spying????
Sun, December 30, 2007 - 8:42 PMI use a mac and we have a utility called Little Snitch
www.obdev.at/products/li...h/index.html
It allows you to prevent any program from calling home without your permission -
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Good
Sun, December 30, 2007 - 8:47 PMGood someone developed that little app for the Mac crowd....
People need to become more aware of the unseen bullshit companies do -whether PC or Mac, or regardless of the OS, or industry for that matter.
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Re: Good
Mon, December 31, 2007 - 11:55 AMSaxafraz ok now I have Little Snitch.
How do I turn it off if I want?
Even If I quit LIttle Snitch Configuration it still pops up and does it's thing. -
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Re: Good
Mon, December 31, 2007 - 12:32 PMLittle Snitch went crazy with the pop ups when I went to Dashboard.
Had to download it again and choose the Uninstall option.
Guess I'll stick to just doing graphics and Photoshop.
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Re: Good
Mon, December 31, 2007 - 12:44 PMAndrew:
I would look in the support, the forums and the FAQ section of that site in order to better able to understand and control that app.
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Re: Good
Mon, December 31, 2007 - 1:45 PMAfter you install Little Snitch, it will notify you of every app that is attempting to call home. You have to decide , for each app, whether you want it to always be allowed to connect, one time allow connect or never allow connect.
For example: with most widgets such as weather and time, I set LS to always allow connection. I'll never see the pop-up again for these.
With CS3 I set it to never allow connection. I'll never see that reminder again and CS3 will never call home unless I change to setting in LS Configuration.
I takes a bit of work at first, but them it becomes transparent and the only reminders you get are from ones you haven't already configured or have configured to "One Time Allow or Deny"
Andrew - try it again and you'll be pleased and your online experience will be more secure -
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Re: Good
Mon, December 31, 2007 - 1:59 PMI'll try again after I read about it and understand it better.
For now it's just a nuisance as I can't decide what I should allow & what to deny.
Thanks though.
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Re: Good
Mon, December 31, 2007 - 2:43 PMIf you think about it, what applications actually have to communicate with the internet and phone home?
Other than the occasional updating, very, very few.
You can go to sites and download the updates manual and apply them.
And/or, you can update everything now and then deny permission for them to have access.
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Re: Photoshop CS3 spying????
Sat, January 19, 2008 - 9:28 AMits easy to disable the bonjour program. i did this a while back and again everytime i reformat my computer. if you want it easy, download hijackthis, its a program used mostly to disable hijackers and trojans. do a scan and look for an entry that says bonjour. check the box opposite it and click "fix checked". viola! its gone.
the other way around is to disable it manually using either msconfig utility or the services.msc window in administrative options in control panel. if you use the msconfig function (for windows xp) go to the services tab and look for the entry named ##Id_string1.6-------- bla bla bla. cant really remember the name. uncheck the box then click apply.
if you choose to use administrative tools go to the services application and find the entry with the same name as above then click stop or right click the entry and choose properties then choose disable then click apply.
i still dont know how to fully block the flexnet licensing option. i tried stopping it from the services but photoshop wouldnt start. i tried blocking its connection attempt through my antivirus (kaspersky) and it mostly slows down the pc because it continually tries to connect to the net. sometimes it runs sometimes it doesnt. the best remedy i got is run photshop first then use task , manager to end the flexnet application. ;o) hope this helps.
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Re: Photoshop CS3 spying????
Sun, January 20, 2008 - 9:51 PMThere is one more way to short circuit this little snafu. I have a friend who does this and I think the concept has some merit:
Use a cheap(er) or old(er) computer as your internet connection device.*
Keep your big expensive monster Macintosh, the one that's your valuable workhorse, keep it isolated from the net.
This will allow you to rest easy that no software will phone home and no one will be able to hack at it from "out there."
(*Yes, I'm a devoted Mac user very much so, - but I would consider using a cheap PC as an internet connection tool - they are "okay" for that sort of work.)
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Re: Photoshop CS3 spying????
Sun, January 20, 2008 - 10:03 PMI do exactly that, a slightly older PC running Ubuntu. Problem is, still gotta do software updates from time to time, and the second a machine is online, info is sent. :/ -
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Re: Photoshop CS3 spying????
Sun, January 20, 2008 - 11:05 PMIn that case, you see if you can download updates manually from the website and apply them offline, reconfiguring your application permissions to access the net after applying the updates.
Keep in mind that if you have a popular and , um, "acquired" piece of software, there are often components within the updates to identify whether there are 100,000 copies of that version of software with serial, including yours which may result in the update you applied sabotaging the software you have installed, rendering it inoperable.
It might be good to read over what exactly each update is addressing in terms of bugs or functionality to determine whether it's a minor or significant change to how the application functions which in many cases will function just fine and dandy without the update unless there is a history of buginess.
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